Is it possible to run django without shell access? My hoster supports the following for 5€/month:
python (I assume via mod_python)
mysql
There is no shell nor cronjob support, which costs additional 10€/month, so I'm trying to avoid it.
I know that Google Apps also work without shell access, but I assume that is possible because of their special configuration.
It's possible but not desirable. Having shell access makes it possible to centralise things properly using symlinks.
Get a better host would be my first suggestion. WebFaction is the most recommended shared host for using with Django.
If that's out of your price range, there are plenty of hosts that give you a proper system account (vs just a ftp account) and have mod_python or mod_wsgi (preferred now).
Google Apps works without shell because their system looks for a dispatcher script that you have to write to an exact specification.
It is possible.
Usually you will develop your application locally (where shell access is nice to have) and publish your work to your server. All you need for this is FTP access and some way to import a database dump from your development database (often hosters provide an installation of phpMyAdmin for this).
python (I assume via mod_python)
From my experience, you are most certainly wrong with that assumption. Many low-cost providers claim to support python but in fact provide only an outdated version that can be used with CGI scripts. This setup will have a pretty low performance for Django apps.
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I have a Django application that runs on apache server and uses Sqlite3 db. I want to access this database remotely using a python script that first ssh to the machine and then access the database.
After a lot of search I understand that we cannot access sqlite db remotely. I don't want to download the db folder using ftp and perform the function, instead I want to access it remotely.
What could be the other possible ways to do this? I don't want to change the database, but am looking for alternate ways to achieve the connection.
Leaving aside the question of whether it is sensible to run a production Django installation against sqlite (it really isn't), you seem to have forgotten that, well, you are actually running Django. That means that Django can be the main interface to your data; and therefore you should write code in Django that enables this.
Luckily, there exists the Django REST Framework that allows you to simply expose your data via HTTP interfaces like GET and POST. That would be a much better solution than accessing it via ssh.
Sqlite needs to access the provided file. So this is more of a filesystem question rather than a python one. You have to find a way for sqlite and python to access the remote directory, be it sftp, sshfs, ftp or whatever. It entirely depends on your remote and local OS. Preferably mount the remote subdirectory on your local filesystem.
You would not need to make a copy of it although if the file is large you might want to consider that option too.
Is there any lightweight mvc webframework which is not necessary to install to the server?
I need something simple, that i could just copy to the shared hosting. And it must handle urls other that localhost/test.py, something like this localhost/Blog/test
You should probably check out Flask or Bottle, two nice Python microframeworks. With an appropriate "main" Python script (to initialize your app and dispatch requests to it) and mod_rewrite rules in place, you can probably get pretty close to your goal of "just copy[ing] to the shared hosting" with nice URLs.
Flask has good documentation on deploying via CGI, which is what you might have to use on your shared host. (If your host supports FastCGI or mod_wsgi, those deployment options would be preferable.)
Checkout web2py. Seems to be about the simplest python based webserver I can think of.
Django might do, it's hefty, but it comes with it's own development server.
web2py includes everything (ssl-enabled web server, sqlite sql based transaction safe database, web based Integrated Development Enviroment, web based database interface) in one package. The web2py binaries for windows and mac also include Python itself. web2py does not require configuration or installation and can run off a usb drive. It was originally developed as a teaching tool for MVC.
checkout https://github.com/salimane/bottle-mvc or https://github.com/salimane/flask-mvc . They are boilerplates that could get you started with controllers, models in separate folders. They are based on bottle and flask micro frameworks, no useless features, they give you the flexibility to plugin whatever modules you want.
I have a Django application that I would like to deploy to the desktop. I have read a little on this and see that one way is to use freeze. I have used this with varying success in the past for Python applications, but am not convinced it is the best approach for a Django application.
My questions are: what are some successful methods you have used for deploying Django applications? Is there a de facto standard method? Have you hit any dead ends? I need a cross platform solution.
I did this a couple years ago for a Django app running as a local daemon. It was launched by Twisted and wrapped by py2app for Mac and py2exe for Windows. There was both a browser as well as an Air front-end hitting it. It worked pretty well for the most part but I didn't get to deploy it out in the wild because the larger project got postponed. It's been a while and I'm a bit rusty on the details, but here are a few tips:
IIRC, the most problematic thing was Python loading C extensions. I had an Intel assembler module written with C "asm" commands that I needed to load to get low-level system data. That took a while to get working across both platforms. If you can, try to avoid C extensions.
You'll definitely need an installer. Most likely the app will end up running in the background, so you'll need to mark it as a Windows service, Unix daemon, or Mac launchd application.
In your installer you'll want to provide a way to locate a free local TCP port. You may have to write a little stub routine that the installer runs or use the installer's built-in scripting facility to find a port that hasn't been taken and save it to a config file. You then load the config file inside your settings.py and whatever front-end you're going to deploy. That's the shared port. Or you could just pick a random number and hope no other service on the desktop steps on your toes :-)
If your front-end and back-end are separate apps then you'll need to design an API for them to talk to each other. Make sure you provide a flag to return the data in both raw and human-readable form. It really helps in debugging.
If you want Django to be able to send notifications to the user, you'll want to integrate with something like Growl or get Python for Windows extensions so you can bring up toaster pop-up notifications.
You'll probably want to stick with SQLite for database in which case you'll want to make sure you use semaphores to tackle multiple requests vying for the database (or any other shared resource). If your app is accessed via a browser users can have multiple windows open and hit the app at the same time. If using a custom front-end (native, Air, etc...) then you can control how many instances are running at a given time so it won't be as much of an issue.
You'll also want some sort of access to local system logging facilities since the app will be running in the background and make sure you trap all your exceptions and route it into the syslog. A big hassle was debugging Windows service startup issues. It would have been impossible without system logging.
Be careful about hardcoded paths if you want to stay cross-platform. You may have to rely on the installer to write a config file entry with the actual installation path which you'll have to load up at startup.
Test actual deployment especially across a variety of firewalls. Some of the desktop firewalls get pretty aggressive about blocking access to network services that accept incoming requests.
That's all I can think of. Hope it helps.
If you want a good solution, you should give up on making it cross platform. Your code should all be portable, but your deployment - almost by definition - needs to be platform-specific.
I would recommend using py2exe on Windows, py2app on MacOS X, and building deb packages for Ubuntu with a .desktop file in the right place in the package for an entry to show up in the user's menu. Unfortunately for the last option there's no convenient 'py2deb' or 'py2xdg', but it's pretty easy to make the relevant text file by hand.
And of course, I'd recommend bundling in Twisted as your web server for making the application easily self-contained :).
In order to redeploy a GAE application, I currently have to install the GAE deployment tools on the system that I am using for deployment. While this process is relatively straight forward, the deployment process is a manual process that does not work from behind a firewall and the deployment tools must be installed on every machine that will be used for updating GAE apps. A more ideal solution would be if I could update a GAE application from another GAE application that I have deployed previously. This would remove the need to have multiple systems configured to deploy apps.
Since the GAE deployment tools are written in Python and the GAE App Engine supports Python, is it possible to modify appcfg.py to work from within GAE? The use case would be to pull a project from GitHub or some other online repository and update one GAE application from another GAE app. If this is not possible, what is the limiting constraint?
Is it possible? Yes. The protocol appcfg uses to update apps is entirely HTTP-based, so there's absolutely no reason you couldn't write an app that's capable of deploying other apps (or redeploying itself - self-modifying code)! You may even be able to reuse large parts of appcfg.py to do it.
Is it easy? Probably not. It's quite likely you'll need to understand a decent chunk of appcfg's internals, and the RPCs it uses to upload new apps - not a trivial undertaking. You'll also need to store your credentials in the app, in all likelihood - though you can use a role account that is and admin only for the apps it's deploying to minimize risk there.
One limiting constraint could be the protocol that the python sdk uses to communicate with the GAE servers. If it only uses HTTP, you might be OK. but if it's anything else, you might be out of luck because you can't open a socket directly from within GAE.
What problem did you have by trying to update behind a firewall?
I've got some, but finally I manage to work around them.
About your question, the constraint is that you cannot write files into a GAE app, so even though you could possibly pull from the VCS you can't write those pulled files.
So you would have to update from outside the GAE in first place.
Anyway every machine that needs to update the GAE should have the SDK anyway just to see if they changes work.
So, If you really want to do this you have two alternatives:
Host your own "updater" site and istall the SDK there, then when you want to update log into your side ( or run a script ) and do the remote update.
Although I don't know Amazon EC2 well, I think you can do pretty much the same thing as op 1 from there.
Finally I think the password to update has to be typed always. ( you could have the SDK of the App engine and modify that, because it is open source )
I'm running Mac OS X Leopard and wanted to know what the easy way to setup a web development environment to use Python, MySQL, Apache on my machine which would allow me to develop on my Mac and then easily move it to a host in the future.
I've been trying to get mod_wsgi installed and configured to work with Django and have a headache now. Are there any web hosts that currently use mod_wsgi besides Google, so I could just develop there?
FWIW, we've found virtualenv [http://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv] to be an invaluable part of our dev setup. We typically work on multiple projects that use different versions of Python libraries etc. It's very difficult to do this on one machine without some way to provide a localized, customized Python environment, as virtualenv does.
Most Python applications are moving away from mod_python. It can vary by framework or provider, but most development effort is going into mod_wsgi.
Using the WSGI standard will make your Python application server agnostic, and allow for other nice additions like WSGI middleware. Other providers may only provide CGI (which won't scale well performance wise), or FastCGI.
I've worked with Django using only the included server in the manager.py script and have not had any trouble moving to a production environment.
If you put your application in a host that does the environment configuration for you (like WebFaction) you should not have problems moving from development to production.
I run a Linux virtual machine on my Mac laptop. This allows me to keep my development environment and production environments perfectly in sync (and make snapshots for easy experimentation / rollback). I've found VMWare Fusion works the best, but there are free open source alternatives such as VirtualBox if you just want to get your feet wet.
I share the source folders from the guest Linux operating system on my Mac and edit them with the Mac source editor of my choosing (I use Eclipse / PyDev because the otherwise excellent TextMate doesn't deal well with Chinese text yet). I've documented the software setup for the guest Linux operating system here; it's optimized for serving multiple Django applications (including geodjango).
For extra added fun, you can edit your Mac's /etc/hosts file to make yourdomainname.com resolve to your guest Linux boxes internal IP address and have a simple way to work on / test multiple web projects online or offline without too much hassle.
What you're looking for is Mod_Python. It's an Apache-based interpreter for Python. Check it out here:
http://www.modpython.org/
Google App Engine has done it for you. Some limitations but it works great, and it gives you a path to hosting free.
Of course Mac OS X, in recent versions, comes with Python and Apache. However you may want to have more flexibility in the versions you use, or you may not like the tweaks Apple has made to the way they are configured. A good way to get a more generic set of tools, including MySQL, is to install them anew. This will help your portability issues. The frameworks can be installed relatively easily with one of these open source package providers.
Fink
MacPorts
MAMP
mod_wsgi is really, really simple.
Pyerweb is a really simple (~90 lines including comments/whitespace) WSGI-compliant routing-framework I wrote. Basically the WSGI API is just a function that gets passed environ, and wsgi_start_response, and it returns a string.
envrion is a dict with the request info, for example environ['PATH_INFO'] is the request URI)
wsgi_start_response which is a callable function which you execute to set the headers,:
wsgi_start_response(output_response, output_headers)
output_response is the string containing the HTTP status you wish to send (200 OK etc), and output_headers is a list-of-tuples containing your headers (for example, [("Content-type", "text/html")] would set the content-type)
Then the function returns a string containing your output.. That's all there is to it!
To run it, using spawning you can just do spawn scriptname.my_wsgi_function_nae and it will start listening on port 8080.
To use it via mod_wsgi, it's documentation is good, http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/QuickConfigurationGuide and there is a django specific section
The up-side to using mod_wsgi is it's the standard for serving Python web-applications. I recently decided to play with Google App Engine, and was surprised when Pyerweb (which I linked to at the start of this answer) worked perfectly on it, completely unintentionally. I was even more impressed when I noticed Django applications run on it too.. Standardisation is a good thing!
You may want to look into web2py. It includes an administration interface to develop via your browser. All you need in one package, including Python.
Check out WebFaction—although I don't use them (nor am I related to / profit from their business in any way). I've read over and over how great their service is and particularly how Django-friendly they are. There's a specific post in their forums about getting up and running with Django and mod_wsgi.
Like others before me in this thread, I highly recommend using Ian Bicking's virtualenv to isolate your development environment; there's a dedicated page in the mod_wsgi documentation for exactly that sort of setup.
I'd also urge you to check out pip, which is basically a smarter easy_install which knows about virtualenv. Pip does two really nice things for virtualenv-style development:
Knows how to install from source control (SVN, Git, etc...)
Knows how to "freeze" an existing development environement's requirements so that you can create that environment somewhere else—very very nice for multiple developers or deployment.