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I am very interested in learning web programming.. I want to use something from python but not sure if I want to use web2py or django.. Django seems difficult to set up for a beginner such as myself.. But I do not want to throw it out just yet.. Soo what are some expert opinions on web programming frameworks? Also, if django really isn't as hard as it seems, could someone please explain how I would set it up. Thanks in advance!!
I'm a beginner also. I started in about 8 months ago knowing no computer science, programming, powershell, or even html/css, and now I just about have a full django website ready, minus some minor issues because I need video and video is still above my head and hard to find info/learn about. Anyway, if you don't already know html/css, I used codecademy.com to learn that and some javascript, then learnpythonthehardway.org to learn python, followed by djangobook.com for django. All are great resources. They even point you in the direction of other things you need along the way. It won't be easy, but there are great learning resources available, and since I myself began learning, codecademy has also added python. I quit my job to focus on programming full time so that I can learn it while chasing a dream, so I know from personal experience that it can be done with the free resources available online. I still don't know A LOT and it will take time for things to start clicking, but if you want to learn it just start. I know you asked for expert opinions, and trust me I'm no expert, but from my experience django wasn't too bad. Yeah, you will find yourself banging your head against the wall from time to time, but communities like stackoverflow can also help you figure out answers to your questions. I don't however have any experience with web2py so I can't speak about that. Good luck!
OK, let me suggest you give a try for both frameworks, test Django, then test web2py. take which you like more. All good frameworks.
For web2py I suggest: http://killer-web-development.com/
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I want to learn server-side scripting. Since I know some Python, probably that would be the best to start with (tell me if I am wrong). The problem is that I do not know even the basics of server side scripting. Is there a good book or tutorial that can help me get started?
I know there are many web frameworks in python - flask, bottle, django, cherrypy etc. But before I start reading the manual of one of these, are there other basics to learn.
I know basic HTML, CSS and I am currently learning basic Javascript.
Thank you.
I found some good references on Python Web Programming page that I had not seen earlier. You can see them if you scroll down to Books and Articles section on http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks page. As stated there, Lutz's Programming Python contains a lot of information on internet programming. You will see some other references there, such as Wesley Chun's book, which gives a very good explanation of client and server concepts.
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I am still kind of new to programming and after playing around with a lot of languages trying to find which one worked best for me I stumbled across python and have been doing really well with it.
The only problem/concern I have is that I do not mainly want to do web development. I want to create desktop apps with nice GUis as well. Unlike most other programming languages that I have dabbled in python doesn't seem to have one definitive ide for this sort of thing which kind of sucks imo, especially since it's such a cool language.
I've searched and found quite a few IDEs that include GUI designers with code editing as well but I can't decide which one to use. Of those I am interested in the following
BlackAdder - http://www.thekompany.com/products/blackadder/
Pythoncard - http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/
Boa Constructor - http://boa-constructor.sourceforge.net/
SPE - http://pythonide.blogspot.com/
Dabo (is it even an ide?) - http://dabodev.com/
Eric IDE - http://eric-ide.python-projects.org/index.html
Xrope - http://xrope.sourceforge.net/
I am not looking for opinions on which one is the "best" or anyone's favorite. I want to know which one is the most widely used and which one I would be able to find the most documentation on and get the most user support from whether it be via forums, here, community, etc..
P.S. If anyone cares to post any links to some documentation/tutorials with their answer it would be greatly appreciated.
P.P.S. Does anyone know if there are any plans for a larger company maybe thinking of creating a full fledged ide comparable to Delphi, Visual Studio for python in the foreseeable future? Would make things a lot easier IMO.
Thanks..
You can use Visual Studio to build IronPython GUI applications as well: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb165375(v=vs.80).aspx
EDIT: You can now use pytools (http://pytools.codeplex.com/) to develop non-IronPython apps in VisualStudio.
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I'm new to web-application development, and I've just started building a (relatively large) webapp. Thus-far I've been using Django, however, I've just read about Pyramid, and I really like the sound of it: Its documentation reads well, it seems to scale easily from small-to-large projects, it boasts great performance, and it's developers seem quite onto-it. All good things. It also seems quite flexible, which suits my needs well. However, I'm worried about Pyramid's user-base.
For instance, on stackoverflow, the "pyramid" tag has seen 6 questions this week, whereas the "django" tag has seen 247. I know that Pyramid developers are committed to answering any questions developer's have, however, that doesn't completely put my mind at ease. I'm just not sure if I'll be running risks by choosing a framework which has such a drastically smaller community. My fears are this:
Not much "user" documentation
With Django, you can google how to do pretty much anything you want and you'll end up with a tutorial on somebody's blog somewhere in the world.
My fear is that even though the Pyramid documentation seems quite comprehensive, the moment you end up in territory not covered by the documentation, you're kind of on your own (until you submit a question and receive a response, which seems like a much more lengthy process than just reading a blog).
What if it disappears?
Django isn't going anywhere. I don't know enough about Pyramid to make the same assumption. What if I spend a year developing and maintaining this application, only to find out that in the meantime Pyramid support has died out, merged into a different project, etc.?
Hiring future developers for my app - most likely they will know Django, not Pyramid.
Maybe this won't be a huge issue if Pyramid has a relatively small learning curve for people who already know Django?
There might be other serious draw-backs that I'm not aware of for using a framework with such a young community.
Anyway, I'd love if an experienced developer could give me some feedback about all of this. How much of a risk would I be taking by choosing Pyramid over Django? and more generally, by choosing a newer technology over an older one?
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Just curious if anyone knows of good sites for learning and understanding PyGame.
I've programmed a bunch in Python, so I'm well-equipped with that. Just curious if anyone knows a good site or more for learning PyGame.
Thanks for any help!
I have several Pygame bookmarks on my delicious page that I think are worth a look. The links cover both tutorials and libraries to make your Pygame development easier. It would also be worth looking at a good, complete game written with Pygame to get an idea of how it should be structured. There are plenty of excellent ones on Ian Mallett's page, for instance. Good luck on your game writing!
Eli Bendersky writes well and has written a tutorial "not for beginners". It's certainly worth a look.
I really liked this tutorial: http://rene.f0o.com/mywiki/PythonGameProgramming. I found that it was an excellent way to get started with learning the basics of the library itself.
The whole of http://pygame.org is brilliant if you haven't found that already. The documentation section is great, as is the tutorial section.
Invent Your Own Computer Games with Python -ebook has some nice PyGame chapters.
http://inventwithpython.com/
Others pointed to good tutorials so I rather give an advice. Start to download some games listed on pygame.org and learn, examine their sources. Play around them, make changes and see how they behave. This is the best way to get practice.
I am a pygame hobbyist too, so if you will have anything to release in the future, I could offer my page to do it (beside pygame.org of course): http://sites.google.com/site/sipygames/
I usually recommend the Line By Line Chimp tutorial since Ive found it to cover the most parts in the shortest time.
No one has mentioned this yet as a source of games written in pygame, but check out www.pyweek.org - it's a week-long programming competition featuring games built in python. In many cases they use pygame, though there are other libs such as pyglet and opengl that are used.
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I'm not sure what it is about me but I seem to learn and retain information better through a classroom setting where what's being shown is explained clearly and easy to understand examples are presented. I rarely do my own reading or research, but I do occasionally stumble upon some neat things. Maybe I'm just used to the classroom setting from all the years of the education process or it could just be the lazy man in me.
In any case, if anyone could recommend some video tutorial sites, particularly for beginners, that would be great.
I am particularly interested in the following...
Web 2.0 (AJAX, XML, DHTML, Javascript, CSS, etc)
Python
Of course, if anyone knows some sort of wide-range, general site for tutorials of all kinds to help programmers out there, that would be great too.
Thank you.
PS - For the purposes of my software development needs I've decided to give Eclipse a try as it seems to be one of the most widely used IDEs in the industry.
MIT has a great Intro to Computer Science course using Python.
MIT 6.00 Introduction to Computer Science and Programming
For Django (Python MVC framework) try here
For CSS try here
For jQuery try here
For DHTML try here
My advice don't go for eclipse if oyu are beginner use a texteditor. Eclispes features can be overwhelming for beginners.
ajaxprojects, learning python through videos, python link on showmedo, a video tutorial site where you can find many other topics being covered as well.
http://pycon.blip.tv/
ShowMeDo(Python) has plenty of screenscasts for the whole gamut of experience levels.