Has anyone tried the NetBeans 6.5 Python IDE?
What are your opinions? Is it better/worse than PyDev? Do you like it? How does it integrate with source control tools (especially Mercurial)?
I will share some of the feelings from using it for quite a while now. Things that are roughly the same quality as in Eclipse+Pydev+mercurial:
editor, code-completion
debugger features
Things that are better:
autoimport
color schemes (Norway today rocks)
Mercurial support (though it is getting better and better in Eclipse)
Things that are worse:
zipped egg packages are not recognized for either code completion or the autoimport
libdyn packages (e.g. datetime) are not recognized
debugger is having trouble with multiprocessing package
you cannot choose file from outside of the project (/usr/bin/paster) to be the main file (this is what I use to debug Pylons applications)
Does anyone have something to add to the list?
BraveSirFoobar, it would be nice to know more about what problems you found -- the very, very slow part, as well as the crash. The first time you run the IDE it will index information about your Python platform and project and libraries - such that it can do quick code completion, go to declaration etc. later - but once that's done it's not supposed to be slow - but there might be bugs.
Mercurial should definitely be supported well, since the NetBeans project itself (and Solaris and Java) are all hosted in Mercurial repositories.
We plan to have really deep support for Python, much in the style of our Ruby support. One of the things which really helped in our Ruby work was the feedback from our early adopters, so if you try Python and have issues with it, please let us know so we can fix it. (Feedback links here: http://wiki.netbeans.org/Python )
-- Tor
Compared to pydev, I found it very, very slow, and it crashed (once) when I created a project from existing sources. It's still beta, though.
Integration with SCMs will be as good as netbeans is already (I only tried subversion, which worked fine).
Feature-wise it was about the same : refactor, debugging, code assist... I'll stick with pydev for the moment, which is IMHO a great tool.
Sun use Mercurial internally now, so expect that their IDE support for it will be top notch.
Having worked with PyDev and PyDev extension for Eclipse for the past few months, the move to NetBeans has been a very pleasurable one.
Without having to hunt all the different plug-ins for PyDev and Eclipse, NetBeans had everything I needed out of the box:
auto completion, super fast index search, style control import control, you name it.
And it seemed LESS bug prone than Eclipse (which is pretty stable).
Also, the built-in Vim like auto code snippets it uses are just fantastic.
IMO, it beats Eclipse hands down.
I'm hooked.
I started using it a little while back and I like it. I usually develop in a simple editor (SciTE), NetBeans is nice to organize larger projects.
wrote about it briefly here
How does it compare with PyDev Extensions? I've recently installed it and, to be honest, couldn't imagine myself going back to PyDev.
NetBeans seems interesting though, if only I wasn't already hooked onto a couple of other Eclipse plug-ins as well.
After looking at this, I decided to go ahead with PyDev than NetBeans.
However best wishes to NetBeans team for a faster and better Python support. Cant wait for that :)
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I really loved this feature when I used Eclipse for Java programming, but I can't find the same functionality for a Python editor. IDLE and Pyscripter are nice, but they don't help in this area.
Basically, I just want the option to collapse or otherwise hide functions that I don't feel like looking at for a while. Know of anything like this?
In addition to the aforementioned (great) editors, you might want to give PyDev a shot as well.
Geany can do this.
Notepad++ has this feature.
Komodo Edit IDE, for Windows, Mac and Linux, for Python, PHP, Ruby, JavaScript, Perl and Web Dev.
I've used Komodo Edit and Notepad++ in the past but my current preference is Sublime Text Edit 2.
Although not free (and actually quite expensive), it can be used in free mode with only an occasional reminder and no other restrictions.
It is actually written in Python so you get a Python console built in - you can also get other consoles such as JavaScript. It is VERY flexible & has some very good features. It is also has an excellent community with loads of very useful plugins.
It is much lighter on resource usage than Komodo, can use Textmate bundles directly (so gets loads of formatting options for different file types). It is cross-platform and doesn't even need installation on Windows.
Pycharm CE, from Jet Brains, indeed, wonderful. Functions and comments collapse is ready out of the box, as well as edit helpers. Project files and assets organization, integrated python console, powerful debugging tools,... Then, lots of plugins: git integration, tinycode view, extra languages' helpers and highlighters,.... anything you need when coding, but simple and easy to use. There's a Pro (paid) version for those who want even more.
https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/download
(This question is more than 10 years old. I got surprised, nobody answered about Pycharm before...)
please advise me some good Python IDE, I was using netbeans but it does not have suitable code completion (when I press "." it gives me methods of all classes of python. It would be nice if netbeans would work as for ex. for PHP..
Thank you.
Eclipse with Pydev
nothing better out there
Pytools should add intellisense for python to visual studio if you are developing on windows. I have not tried it myself so I don't know how good it works.
I have also been searching for a good IDE for Python development. I tried using Emacs and Komodo but finally settled for PyCharm. It does a really good job at auto completing the code and I find it to be worth the money.
Depending on the type of development you do, you could get a discounted or even a free license.
well, many IDEs now come with pretty good code completion. Eclipse with pydev is nice, or you can get aptana studio 3 to perform similar to it.
Theres also jetbrain's PyCharm, if you don't mind paying for a licence (they do give a trial version too if you want to test it before buying). There are a lot of such IDEs, guess you have to try them out to see which suits your code completion tastes better.
Try Geany and Ctrl+Enter. Foo bar <= wrote this because SO said answer was to short ;)
PyCharm for pay or Komodo Edit for free.
Komodo has since long time an excellent Python support
I found the below links very helpful in deciding the python IDE. They provide a lot of insight into the features with respect to all the relevant IDEs. It looks like most of them have auto-code completion feature as per these links. Since I have been using eclipse and VS Code all my life, I stick with Pydev or VS Code, yes will need some plugins to install. Pycharm has lot of features, if you can afford paying some money. I also found intelliJ also supports a lot of features.
What IDE to use for Python?
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Basically, me and a friend of mine are just planning to work on a Python project which would have GUI interface, and enable file transfer over and remote file listing. We have most of the tools which we are going to use, Glade, Python etcetera.
I just want to know if I should use an IDE or not.
I've heard only good things about Anjuta, but not convinced of its Python support; care to comment?
And also is there any other good IDE I should check out?
Currently I am just planning on coding as usual in vim.
The ability to debug using an IDE makes your life so much easier.
Python is a particularly strange language in that having a full-fledged IDE doesn't really add much (and some would argue that an IDE tends to severely limit your thinking-flow in Python). I've been using regular Vim and Gedit to develop in Python and never really missed using IDE.
Text editors like Vim or Emacs itself can be configured quite flexibly to match an IDE power though, so it doesn't really matter which way you go.
There are numerous IDEs you can check out. Take a look at PyDev, PIDA, Komodo, Eric.
I personally don't think IDEs add that much to software development (on this scale and in this language). Python has fine external debugging tools and refactoring is not that hard with a program of this size.
Do you currently use or want to use any features you miss in your current editor? If so, pick another one, else, stick with what you like most.
As long as it has version control integration you should be fine.
Personally I do most my Python coding in Vim, but once in a while I feel like using a full-IDE and I use Eclipse with Pydev at those times.
It depends on your own preference, some people absolutely love Vim and won't use anything else. Others just can't work without an IDE.
Here's a list of:
Python IDEs: http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments
Python editors: http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors
In terms of using an IDE or not, it doesn't matter. I prefer using an IDE since I like having the tools I need bundled up into one nice, neat little package that can handle all of my development. However, using a text editor is just as good, especially ones as powerful and extensible as vi(m) and (x)emacs. The real reasons for using an IDE, though, are code completion, management of indentation, code folding, refactoring support, and debugging.
If you want to check out other IDEs for Python development, I would suggest also looking at NetBeans and Eclipse with the appropriate plugins. I, personally, prefer NetBeans since I have a feeling that PyDev is going to be going downhill since Aptana bought them (previously, they ruined RadRails, which is the Eclipse plugin for Ruby on Rails development) and don't want to get comfortable with a tool that might not be useful long-term.
With Java, I'd say no IDE for beginners, because you have to understand CLASSPATH first.
With Python, I'd say PyCharm from JetBrains. IntelliJ is the best Java IDE; PyCharm is making my Python work a pleasure.
IMHO, not using IDE to develop is just like using typewriter to write a novel. Nobody said you can't, but why you have to try that hard when you already have laptop?
I code in Vim for python. If you want to use an IDE then I would recommend IntelliJ's PyCharm. I use vim because the actual editing is far superior and if you are a power user there is very little that you can't do easily.
PyCharm provides help with api by providing completion and helps with some basic refactoring. These advantages though wear of sooner than you would expect. I use grep and vim regex to do refactoring - its a bit more work than pycharm but if you can manage it then the advantages of vim clearly outweigh using an ide.
I assume that you are developing in a *nix environment, if you use windows then I would recommend using an Ide.
As opposed to some other guys here, I think that an IDE does add much to software development, even for a dynamically typed language like Python which makes it harder to do static analysis.
My preferred IDE for Python development is Eclipse with PyDev. Before that, I coded in Notepad++ which isn't much different than the PyDev editor in terms of features. PyDev has some great features that you won't find in a "normal" editor:
It shows warnings and syntax errors (almost) in realtime. A text editor won't tell me about typos, but PyDev does. As another example, unresolved imports or undefined functions (e.g. because of a typo) are marked as warnings/errors. And there are many more common mistakes that are automatically detected, and PyDev can be integrated with pylint so that warnings and errors from pylint are displayed with the usual icons in the editor.
Autocompletion by introspection
Outline view of the current module and its classes
Additionally, Eclipse itself is also great for any kind of programming project. I especially like the fully integrated interface - project explorer, editor, outline, console, problems overview, run configurations and so on. When using Vim, Emacs or similar, I guess you would have to install lots of plugins or custom scripts to achieve the same.
As you said you want to do a project, I think that Eclipse is a good choice. For quickly hacking a small Python script, it's overkill of course.
If you just start learning python/glade/gtk stack, I'd say you should start without an IDE just to learn how it works internally. This will help you later when your code will be bigger and more complex.
However, good IDE helps in so many ways I wouldn't recommend against using any in the long run. This article might help you decide whether you need any: http://infoworld.com/d/developer-world/infoworld-review-nine-fine-python-development-tools-374
it's horses for courses, personally i'm much happier with textmate or vim and a nice cup of coffee but it's what feels more comfortable to you.
there's no shame in using an IDE, if it's what gets your idea out there to the masses the most productive then use whatever you like.
however when starting out i'd favour something with intellisense as it'll teach you the basics as you type, give it a year and you'll be a master at it.
Two ways to approach this:
Use what you're used to. If you have used an editor in the past and know its quirks, stick with it. You'll waste less time figuring out how to work with the tool and spend more time on the actual project.
Use something new. Anjuta, vim, whatever, as long as you haven't spent too much time with it so far. You'll learn a whole lot of stuff besides your actual project, but the project itself won't be done as fast as could be.
Personally, I prefer 2. Always learn something new, as long as it's not crunch time and it-has-to-be-done-by-friday. An IDE can help you only so much, but when you're still in the learning phase the more time you spend on the code yourself, the better.
I'm not a Python programmer, but I prefer not to use IDEs.
The reason for this is that I find IDEs are often big and do too many things for me, whereas using Notepad++ and the command prompt allows me to trim things down to suit my needs rather than being surrounded by features that I don't use. This allows me to learn more easily, because I have more control over what happens.
Don't learn coding with an IDE. Code with it!
I find using an IDE to dramatically help my Python code productivity. In particular, using wingide makes coding in python a pleasure. It has all the normal things you would expect (syntax highlighting, auto-complete, etc) but the killer features are the debugger and the debug probe.
These two features are worth the cost of the program. It lets you see the live state of the application and try out python statements live at breakpoints. I find this especially helpful to explore the current state and to try out some code to see if it will work. I often write some of the trickier sections of code in the debug probe live and them copy them into my application. Very nice.
I know this is probably a question that is asked a ton on here but I haven't been able to find exactly what I'm looking for. I'm a JAVA developer that is learning Python and Django and I'm looking for a good development environment. I would like to be able to edit python code, css, html and javascript all in the same editor if possible. I have been trying out both Komodo and pydev. I like Komodo so far. Being a JAVA developer I am very comfortable in Eclipse but it just doesn't feel like it might be the right environment to be doing Python development in. I was wondering if anyone had good recommendations. I also have heard about CODA, TextMate and SubEthaEdit. I should mention that I'm doing my development work on Mac. I know these things are really opinionated but didn't know if there was some kind of "industry" standard for Python/Django development on the Mac.
I have done the normal searches on stackoverflow and looked through this post as well What IDE to use for Python?. I just haven't found an answer that seemed to fit my situation......
If your familiar with eclipse, by all means try Pydev first. I was the opposite, I was/am a Python developer who switched to Java. There was no real difference between using Eclipse for Java and Eclipse for Python (Pydev), you still get inline docs, debugging, code completion, the whole bit. You also get a lot of great stuff along with it like subversive, mylyn, aptana, etc.
As you're familiar with Eclipse, Pydev is a good choice.
Komodo is the only IDE/Editor I know which supports Django Template Language syntax highlighting. But it's really so rudimentary that I think you can live without it.
A lot of Mac developers use TextMate because it has a lot of creature features.
If you're working with big files and need speed, look at BBEdit - it's amazing how fast it can find/replace stuff.
If you want an editor that is close to Eclipse, but not a full-blown Java-based/oriented IDE, Komodo Edit (open source) or IDE (commercial) is pretty good, though I can usually get it to crash within an hour. I think it doesn't like me.
My primary editor is vim or gvim, depending on what hosting system I am on. It handles every language, runs on Mac, Linux and Windows, and is very customizable and, when you're used to it, can be very fast. I spend 99% of my editing time in gvim and it's the first or second thing I install on a machine, along with my customized setup and favorite fonts and plugins.
I'm on OSX and I've recently tried out http://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/ and it looks pretty good, but I can't quite get comfy with it -- but if you're familiar with Eclipse, then you might like it.
Personally, I find that I'm plenty productive with TextMate and a few of the Textmate Python/Django bundles
I think you should give Geany a try. Its very easy to use and is definitely one of my most favorite IDE's I have ever used.
I found this python plugin list but thought I'd ask if anyone has any experience with anything listed there?
I'm totally new to both python and dynamic programming languages if that makes any difference.
PyDev is the most widely used IDE I think. I'm using it not very often, but if I do, it suits me quite well.
PyDev is the best I've used. I use it every day. When they had a pay version I paid for it. I use it on my Mac and Linux box and love it.
I'm using PyDev. It's come a long way since I started using it. That might be it's greatest strength, it's very actively developed. It's got good support for Django and a whole list of other worthwhile features. If you're an Eclipse user you should definitely try it out.
If you're used to Eclipse, it's probably best to go with the DLTK. As a bonus, you get support for a number of other languages (Tcl, Ruby, Javascript) too.
Pydev supports python including vs 3.1, jython and ironpython. It is said that ironpython support in pydev is one of the best availables.
So pydev is probably the best plugin for eclipse. Some few months ago pydev and pydev extensions, the non-free part of pydev, were merged and released free. This is not related with abandonware, contrarily pydev is being actively developped.
Last release added support for Django (and there was also support for google application engine).